WOT is good for engine?

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RenegadeTahoe

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I'm considering buying a 99-02 Cadillac STS, so I started doing some research... came across this article...

http://www.cadillacforums.com/cadillac-tech.html#full

Here's what it says...

Occasional Full-Throttle Acceleration Is Good For Your Engine (check this discussion for references): (back to the top)

There are many advantages to occasional full throttle accelerations with a Northstar and any engine.

It keeps the carbon cleaned out of the combustion chamber. This is maybe a little more important with the Northstar than some other engines due to the tight squish volumes between the piston and the cylinder head. It's designed this way to promote good in-cylinder mixture motion (good combustion) but it has the down side of providing a ready place for carbon build-up to touch the piston - causing noise. Ever heard of the Northstar "cold carbon rap" problem?? Simply put you'll hear a rythmic, piston slap-like noise when the engine is cold. Very prominent and very annoying. Cause: excessive carbon build up causing the the piston to contact the carbon on the head - causing it to rock in the bore and "slap" Much more evident when the engine is cold and the pistons haven't expanded to full diameter yet. Simplest and easiest "fix" for this: A few good WOT (wide open throttle) accelerations to clear the carbon out. That is all it takes to eliminate the problem and prevent it from re-occurring.

Occasional WOT accelerations also help seat the rings to the ring lands and exercise the rings and keep them mobile and from becoming stuck in carbon in the ring lands. At high RPM and WOT the rings move around on the piston - they actually rotate on the piston and will polish away any carbon and seat themselves to the sides of the ring grooves. This is especially important on the 2000 and later Northstars which had hard anodized top ring lands on the pistons. Very hard and wear resistant - also harder to break-in and seat the rings to the sides of the ring-lands to promote the best possible seal. Many oil consumption complaints on the 2000 and later engines are related, to some extent, with the rings never seating to the sides of the ring-grooves due to lack of load as the engine was babied around forever. Even engines with rings stuck in the ring-grooves due to carbon build up can eventually be freed up with enough high RPM operation.

WOTs warm up the engine thoroughly and clean out the exhaust due to temperature in the exhaust and high flow rates blasting particles, rust and such out of the system.

Frequent WOT operation will not hurt the engine or the transmission. They're designed for that. The healthiest engines that I have seen at high miles are always the ones that are run the hardest. Rings are free on the pistons and sealing; no carbon buildup.

The exercise that I think works best for many things is to select manual 2nd gear on an isolated stretch of expressway. This takes the transmission shifting out of the question if you are worried about hurting it. Start at 55 MPH or so and go to WOT in 2nd gear and hold it until the RPM reaches near the normal shift point - i.e. 6500 for an L37 and 6000 for an LD8. Hold the throttle wide open until the engine reaches, say, 6200 for an STS and then just let completely off the throttle. Leave the transmission in 2nd so that the engine brakes the car and creates some pretty heavy over-run conditions at high vacuum levels. Let it slow until it is about 55 or so and then go to WOT again and repeat. This exercise really loads the rings, allows variable RPM operation at WOT for several seconds continuously, creates heavy over-run which tends to unload the rings and make them move and thus exercise them in the ring grooves and it will blow-out carbon and the exhaust - all without creating a spectical of yourself and attracting the attention of cops. You can do it on most any freeway and stay within the 70-75 MPH range allowable. Once a week like this will keep the engine cleaned out and healthy and is DEFINITELY recommended for the Northstar in particular.

The Northstar engine was designed/developed/validated to be run hard. It was expected that people would use the performance of the engine - which few people seem to do. The biggest single problem that many issues stem from is lack of use at full throttle by the owners. It just doesn't like to be babied around. The rings are low-tension by design for good high RPM operating characteristics and low friction/good power. They work best if "used" and kept free.

In every conversation with owners I have had, once the owner started doing the WOTs and using the power of the engine they report no more carbon rap, better oil economy, no "smoke" when they do light it up (keep the exhaust cleaned out. If you notice a "cloud" at WOT then you are not doing enough WOTs...) etc... A bit of judicious use of the other end of the throttle travel is a GOOD thing...

Now, I've heard this and do believe it, however I was a little indifferent about the once a week... what do you guys think? This is based on the Northstar 32v motor, however carbon buildup effects every engine...

I tend to baby my 'hoe due to gas mileage / gas prices... however I do make it a point to WOT it every once in a while (if nothing more than just pure excitement)...
 

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well i have a 98 cadi with a 32v northstar. I have been babying it because of its age. guess its time to take it up a notch, 120 MPH HEAR I COME!!!!:D
 

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I feel sorry for anyone with a Northstar... when its time to do head gaskets and crankcase reseals....


UH ooooo. I may need some of those. are they expensive. HMM the cars a POC anyway so maybe just sell it to a salvage yard. I keep it cause of my 20 mpg city and 28 mpg highway.
 

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Ummmm i know it aint cheap lol. You basically gotta pull the motor out from underneath to do all that work. My boy works at a Chebby/Caddy dealer and it seems like thats all he does every time i call him. I know he has a Olds Aurora with a "baby Northstar" 4.2L and says he's gotta do his crankcase seals one day but he's been puttin if off for a couple years now lol.
 

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Ive heard it before..my family used to own a chevy/caddy dealership and my uncle was the service manager..my grandpa picked up a STS at an auction and decided to keep it for himself..my uncle told him to make sure to drive it hard for a little while to clean it out and to teach the computer..The Northstars really learn about a driver and adjust..so when the little old lady drove it first, it adjusted to her and when my grandpa got it, he had to re-teach it to have some balls again..
 

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OMG you will love that N* motor... i had a 95 sts and i was heart broken to have to sell it but i needed the cheddar to get the tahoe at a better price. I loved that thing, something special about that much power to the front wheels.

I had to replace the starter in that thing, thinking to myself "self... this will be no problem, i means its a starter" HOLY SH*T.... the thing is UNDER the intake manifold inside the piston valley, what a f*ckin nightmare that was (turns out the starter was good, it was just locked up) And the radiator i put in it required the removal of more bolts than the head gasket i did in my 88 supra! those northstar motors are no messin around when it comes time to get under the hood.

i think if you buy that STS, you will have it at WOT at least once a week anyways.. to much fun with those things


oh as for WOT "cleaning out the motor" I would have to do this every time to my '72 El Camino before taking it in to emisions... drive it for about a couple miles at WOT cleaned her out good
 

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I do believe I have the cleanest engine in Northern Virginia, quite possibly all of the Eastern seaport!! :smilielol::lol::shhh:
 

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I do believe I have the cleanest engine in Northern Virginia, quite possibly all of the Eastern seaport!! :smilielol::lol::shhh:


I beg to differ. I bet if you looked at my pcm it would show many, many, long WOT runs. I love coming up an entrance ramp and slamming the gas and then merge in at like 100 mph (speed gov kicks in) Just such a ruch, and anything thats bothiering you is left in the dust. Plus i love the looks of all the little priuses when i do that, some are like WOW i didnt think a truck could do that and others are like GAS WASTER. :D
 

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I beg to differ. I bet if you looked at my pcm it would show many, many, long WOT runs. I love coming up an entrance ramp and slamming the gas and then merge in at like 100 mph (speed gov kicks in) Just such a ruch, and anything thats bothiering you is left in the dust. Plus i love the looks of all the little priuses when i do that, some are like WOW i didnt think a truck could do that and others are like GAS WASTER. :D

OK OK I will call it a tie :rom2::D
 

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This practice is also very true for Rotary engines. I have a RX8 that is my second car and they say to wrap that thing out once a drive. I can defiinitely notice when its time for it to be done because the car will start to run a little rough when its idles. Plus watching the needle on the tach pass 9000rpm is very fun to look at! I usually only do this with the Tahoe about every 3 weeks or so. Depending on where I went that week.
 

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OK OK I will call it a tie :rom2::D

deal. Or you can take the north and i can take the south. :lol:

as your hoe would most likely beat me in a race anyway. Your preformance mods. plus less weight, its all in favor to you.

O yea, i went and took the cadi out on the freeway and put it in 2 gear. florred it to about 5800 rpm. then shifted to drive and took her all the way to 96 MPH. Then the alternator took a crap and my lights all went on and the NO CHARGE light went on. So I said right to the shop and about 1 mile from the exit it died. So that was my day today. sitting on the side of the freeway, everybody blowing by you and waiting for a tow truck.

But i had a blast blowing it out though, and a guy in a ricer about $hit his pants when he saw what "grandpas car" could do. :smilielol:
 

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Yup, I practice WOT on all our vehicles too.

Discussions like this make me glad that I found a Cadillac with a Chevy 350 in it... Though if you want to talk about Grandpa's car, I've got it. The Fleetwood has the vinyl top and all. And yes there are a lot of riceboxes that this thing can smoke...
 
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Not to change the subject, but NICE automobile combo you got there Jey. Only way it could be better is if the 93 was a 96.
 
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Not to change the subject, but NICE automobile combo you got there Jey. Only way it could be better is if the 93 was a 96.

Thanks. I highly recommend it - these big Fleetwoods are a steal right now in the used car market with gas prices the way they are, and there are some genuine "Grandpa cars" out there with low miles.

Of course I wish it could be a 96 (or even a 94, 95) with the LT1, but the L05 is no slouch either, and it's easy to maintain. Same old truck motor that came on all the Silverados, Tahoes, and Vans that I'm familiar with. Maybe I'll buy a C4 'Vette if the LT1 bug bites me :)
 
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