Well...I guess I'm technically new here, too!

[2001Yuke]

Ya we took it over.. But he is still involved. It's just our passions colliding. I would have bought a 1911 but they are like twice the price, even used. The Glock is badass, they are VERY reliable but not quite as "tried and true" as the 1911. If I would have gone into Law Enforcement (like I wanted to), I would be carrying one.

 

[nephite1978]

I have a Comped Entreprise "race" 1911, doublestack. Too big for my hands... :/


I'd stick with a 1911 in .45ACP. It's what it's designed for. After all, 45ACP is the round of choice of our good Lord. LOL Although I'd make an exception for a 10mm

BTW, one hell of a thread Hijack, eh!? :lol:

Well, I'm a big guy, with big hands. So doublestacks fit perfectly in there. Some of these little guns feel like toys in my paws. But they're so much easier to conceal, it makes it harder to pick which one to carry!

And, yeah, I wouldn't want anything other than a .45ACP in my 1911, either. Not a "9" fine, and not too thrilled with .40 caliber, either. Better than nothing, though!

 

[2001Yuke]

I think that if you were in my house and got hit with that 9mm hollow-point you wouldn't be makin off with my XBOX haha.

 

[Mr45]

I think that if you were in my house and got hit with that 9mm hollow-point you wouldn't be makin off with my XBOX haha.

We all know 9mm barely breaks skin....

 

[Yuke2K]

Eh, this hijack is very much worth it. I love talking guns...but guns and trucks? Awesome.

As for the .40 1911 suggestion, I did think about that...but the options are limited, and they don't function as well as the .45 versions. Besides, they aren't ANY cheaper than their .45 ACP counterparts, and if I'm shelling out the bucks for a 1911, you can bet your ass it's not going to be chambered in ANYTHING but .45ACP. :thumbsup:

 

[nephite1978]

As for the .40 1911 suggestion, I did think about that...but the options are limited, and they don't function as well as the .45 versions. Besides, they aren't ANY cheaper than their .45 ACP counterparts, and if I'm shelling out the bucks for a 1911, you can bet your ass it's not going to be chambered in ANYTHING but .45ACP. :thumbsup:

Damn right! Why go with a inferior caliber, when the superior one isn't that much more expensive?!?! But, it was my understanding that a lot of PD's were switching from the .45's because they were too "big", not necessarily because of the price. But, then again, I'm not (nor ever have been) in a PD, so I could be way off base. That's just what I remember hearing/reading.

 

[2001Yuke]

You guys made me feel like a loser with my ***** little 9mm. I was shot at point blank with a BB gun when I was like 14. IT BROKE THE SKIN. And went about 1/4" in through my T-shirt. I have a cool looking scar .

 

[Yuke2K]

You guys made me feel like a loser with my ***** little 9mm. I was shot at point blank with a BB gun when I was like 14. IT BROKE THE SKIN. And went about 1/4" in through my T-shirt. I have a cool looking scar .

LOL don't feel too bad bro...remember, I carry a 9mm at work.

And I got ya beat on the BB gun story, too...I was about the same age, 13 or 14, and got blasted point-blank with a CO2 powered Daisy 454 autoloader...went right through my shorts, and about 2 inches into my right thigh. That BB is still in my leg to this day! The docs didn't feel that it was worth messing with the muscle tissue and whatnot trying to dig it out, and it wasn't/isn't hurting anything so they left it alone.

I personally feel that 9mm is the perfect choice for concealed carry. Not much recoil so it's easy to shoot accurately with, and less risk of collateral damage/overpenetration. But, with the right JHP round, the person you hit WILL rethink their actions in a hurry. Might not kill them, but at that point, killing the person isn't your concern...you shoot to stop the threat. If that means the person dies, so be it. At that point, it's in the hands of the man upstairs.

I'm fairly certain though that if you do your part, the bullet will hold up it's end of the bargain...9mm or not.

 

[Mr45]

LOL don't feel too bad bro...remember, I carry a 9mm at work.

And I got ya beat on the BB gun story, too...I was about the same age, 13 or 14, and got blasted point-blank with a CO2 powered Daisy 454 autoloader...went right through my shorts, and about 2 inches into my right thigh. That BB is still in my leg to this day! The docs didn't feel that it was worth messing with the muscle tissue and whatnot trying to dig it out, and it wasn't/isn't hurting anything so they left it alone.

I personally feel that 9mm is the perfect choice for concealed carry. Not much recoil so it's easy to shoot accurately with, and less risk of collateral damage/overpenetration. But, with the right JHP round, the person you hit WILL rethink their actions in a hurry. Might not kill them, but at that point, killing the person isn't your concern...you shoot to stop the threat. If that means the person dies, so be it. At that point, it's in the hands of the man upstairs.

I'm fairly certain though that if you do your part, the bullet will hold up it's end of the bargain...9mm or not.

With my 45ACP TAP 200grain +P there will not be a chance to rethink...
And it will not over penetrate either, that's the neat thing with the TAP.

But you have a point though, 9mm is a very controllable all-round round.

I just like that "punch" though...

 

[2001Yuke]

There are two reasons I have the 9mm: I can ACCURATELY get off the second shot in a hurry AND with the hollow points the chances of it going through a wall and hurting, say my girlfriend, on the other side are slim. I want to get a snub nose 38 special revolver for the house, but haven't had anyone break in yet . When I got my Streamlight I left my amps and subs inside the sliding glass door so they were visible from the street. NO hits . I guess no-one knows what they are worth areound here. If they were really shiny Lightning Audios or some chrome Audiobahns it might have worked out better. JLs are not quality around here I guess haha.

 

[Yuke2K]

With my 45ACP TAP 200grain +P there will not be a chance to rethink...
And it will not over penetrate either, that's the neat thing with the TAP.

But you have a point though, 9mm is a very controllable all-round round.

I just like that "punch" though...

No arguments there man. I love the knockdown power of .45ACP.

While 9mm catches alot of flak, there are several other rounds that bug the crap out of me. I don't think that anything smaller than 9mm is worth a damn from a defensive standpoint, honestly.

.22LR/WMR?
.25?
.32?
.380ACP?

Junk for SD/HD. Not worth the lead and copper and brass that they are made with. I could never endorse such calibers as defensive loads. During my CCW classes, I reccommend 9mm for inexperienced shooters for the above mentioned reasons. Adequate power, but easier to handle for novice shooters. They can always move up to larger calibers later when they feel confidant enough to do so. Better 3 COM hits with a 9mm as opposed to 3 misses with .45ACP.

Regardless, you HAVE to train with what you want to carry. Ammo included - full power self defense loads feel and perform much differently than your average plinking/practice loads.

 

[Mr45]

There are two reasons I have the 9mm: I can ACCURATELY get off the second shot in a hurry AND with the hollow points the chances of it going through a wall and hurting, say my girlfriend, on the other side are slim. ]I want to get a snub nose 38 special revolver for the house, but haven't had anyone break in yet . When I got my Streamlight I left my amps and subs inside the sliding glass door so they were visible from the street. NO hits . I guess no-one knows what they are worth areound here. If they were really shiny Lightning Audios or some chrome Audiobahns it might have worked out better. JLs are not quality around here I guess haha.

If you're trying that hard to get someone to break in and justify a shoot, you have some issues.

Seriously, get help.

 

[nephite1978]

No arguments there man. I love the knockdown power of .45ACP.

While 9mm catches alot of flak, there are several other rounds that bug the crap out of me. I don't think that anything smaller than 9mm is worth a damn from a defensive standpoint, honestly.

.22LR/WMR?
.25?
.32?
.380ACP?

Junk for SD/HD. Not worth the lead and copper and brass that they are made with. I could never endorse such calibers as defensive loads. During my CCW classes, I reccommend 9mm for inexperienced shooters for the above mentioned reasons. Adequate power, but easier to handle for novice shooters. They can always move up to larger calibers later when they feel confidant enough to do so. Better 3 COM hits with a 9mm as opposed to 3 misses with .45ACP.

Regardless, you HAVE to train with what you want to carry. Ammo included - full power self defense loads feel and perform much differently than your average plinking/practice loads.

The only reason I can think of to carrying one of the smaller calibers, unless you're a woman, would be for back-up pistols. That, and they're super concealable. KelTec makes a .32 that I can palm, and can slip right into my waistband (you can get a clip that attaches to the slide), and you'll never see it. Even in shorts & a t-shirt.

 

[Mr45]

The only reason I can think of to carrying one of the smaller calibers, unless you're a woman, would be for back-up pistols. That, and they're super concealable. KelTec makes a .32 that I can palm, and can slip right into my waistband (you can get a clip that attaches to the slide), and you'll never see it. Even in shorts & a t-shirt.

CCW what you're comfortable and good with. If you can conceal a Glock 10mm and hit something too, go for it.

I CCW my 1911 commander size in a Milt Sparks VMII, and in FL heat, shorts and shirt, that thing becomes invisible. Some people prefer a smaller gun, a hamerless revolver or whatever.

Again, carry what you want, no ones determines what's good or not, because in the end, the most important thing after staying alive, is shot placement.

 

[Yuke2K]

Again, carry what you want, no ones determines what's good or not, because in the end, the most important thing after staying alive, is shot placement.

Bingo.

 

[Yuke2K]

If you're trying that hard to get someone to break in and justify a shoot, you have some issues.

Seriously, get help.

I gotta say, I agree with this...you should never deliberately set up something to attract trouble. You have absolutely NO control over what would come your way. What if it's not just one person? What if a bunch of cracked out druggies saw that stuff, and decided to come back 3 or 4 strong later that night to make off with the goods?

You'd be f**ked, thats what. Terrible idea man. Don't put you or your girlfriend into that kind of situation, it's definitely not worth it. At all.

 

[Yuke2K]

The only reason I can think of to carrying one of the smaller calibers, unless you're a woman, would be for back-up pistols. That, and they're super concealable. KelTec makes a .32 that I can palm, and can slip right into my waistband (you can get a clip that attaches to the slide), and you'll never see it. Even in shorts & a t-shirt.

I do think that Kel-Tec puts out a decent pocket pistol. However, there are a few really decent sub-compact 9mms that get the job done very, very well. The Glock 26 comes to mind, as well as the Sig P239 (although the P239 isn't a technically a subbie, it's still relatively small, and very slim).

I'm a big guy, so I don't need a sub-compact. A Glock 19 disappears on me with a IWB holster, even in warm weather. The same could be said for Dan's 1911, I doubt I'd have a problem concealing that at all. Hell with the right rig I could probably get away with carrying my P226 or G22 and not print either of them.

My point is, carry as much bang as you can carry comfortably. Pocket pistols have their time and place, but most people I've come across could get away with a subbie 9mm. If they require something smaller, than the Sig P232 and Kel-Tec P3AT are two of my top reccomendations in .380 ACP.

 

[boostaholic]

Welcome to the site :cheers: Good to see another guy from Colorado on here as well as an avid gun enthusiast. I generally try to shoot twice a month preferably outdoors and couldn't agree more about the practice with defense loads. I'm gonna try going to a few three gun comps with year and I love to target practice at dusk with the surefire on my 870 or the light on my G23. As for the hope that someone breaks into my house? I'd be impressed if he gets past the 120lb king shepherd and if he does I'm honestly contemplating some less than lethal rounds to keep in the 12 gauge just for safety's sake (I'll carry 5 rounds of 000 on the stock just in case). I love to carry my 23 and the .40 is enough for clean double taps although that new 30sf is calling my name.

 

[Mr45]

I gotta say, I agree with this...you should never deliberately set up something to attract trouble. <snip>

No more explanation is needed why it's a bad idea. It's common sense.

I'll take it a step further, if you have that mindset, I don't think you have any business owning a gun. :nono:

Just my $.02

 

[Caddis]

Take the advice of these folks Yuke, I have carried concealed for over 12 years and your position is "baiting" and asking for trouble. The very LAST thing in the world you want to do is have to draw your weapon and fire, you are upping the potential for such an interaction greatly. I am surprised that someone who has taken the classes and carries has this attitude toward using deadly force, most everyone I know who carries would never put themselves into a predicament where they lie in wait like that, never.

You need to get off the macho schtick and change your perspective, this is not a movie, there are extreme ramifications in what you are doing. Think about it. All good things man, just trying to offer some insight into an objective opinion.