p0300 - p0171 and there is live data

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Holden

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hi ..

i have got strange problem with tahoe 05

i just replace

spark plugs + wires + air mass sensor .

engine hesitation .. misfire .. white smoke .. there is smell of non burn fuel

i put my scan tools .. there is only p0300 ! then there is p0171 .
 

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Basically this means that an oxygen sensor in bank 1 has detected a lean condition (too much oxygen in the exhaust). On V6/V8/V10 engines, Bank 1 is the side of the engine that has cylinder #1. The P0171 is one of the more common trouble codes.
This code is triggered by the first downstream (front) O2 sensor. The sensor provides a reading of the air:fuel ratio leaving the engine's cylinders, and the vehicles powertrain/engine control module (PCM/ECM) uses that reading and adjusts to keep the engine running at that optimum ratio of 14.7:1. If something is not right and the PCM cannot maintain the 14.7:1 ratio, but rather there is too much air, it triggers this code.
You'll want to also read our article on short and long term fuel trims to help understand the operation of the engine. Note: This DTC is very similar to P0174, and in fact your vehicle may show both codes at the same time.
This diagnostic trouble code (DTC) is a generic OBD-II powertrain code. It is considered generic because it applies to all makes and models of vehicles (1996-newer), although specific repair steps may vary depending on the model.
Symptoms
You will more than likely not notice any drivability problems, although there may be symptoms such as:
• a lack of power
•detonation (spark knock)
•rough idle
•hesitation/surge on acceleration.
Causes
A code P0171 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:
•The MAF (Mass Air Flow) Sensor is dirty or faulty
Note: The use of "oiled" air filters may cause the MAF to become dirty if the filter is over-oiled. There is also an issue with some vehicles where the MAF sensors leak the silicone potting material used to protect the circuitry.
•There could be a vacuum leak downstream of the MAF sensor
•Possible cracked vacuum or PCV line/connection
•Faulty or stuck open PCV valve
•Failed or faulty oxygen sensor (bank 1, sensor 1)
•Sticking/plugged or failed fuel injector
•Low fuel pressure (possible plugged/dirty fuel filter!)
•Exhaust leak between engine and first oxygen sensor
Possible Solutions
A lot of times, cleaning the MAF sensor and finding/fixing vacuum leaks fix the problem. If you're on a tight budget, start there, but that may not be the fix for certain. So, possible solutions include:
•Clean the MAF sensor. Consult your service manual for it's location if you need help. I find it's best to take it off and spray it with electronics cleaner or brake cleaner. Make sure you are careful not to damage the MAF sensor, and make sure it's dry before reinstalling
•Inspect all vacuum and PCV hoses, replace/repair as required
•Inspect all hoses and connections in the air intake system
•Inspect and/or test the intake manifold gaskets for leakage
•Check for a dirty fuel filter and proper fuel pressure
•Ideally you'll want to monitor short and long term fuel trims using an advanced scan tool
•If you have access, you may want to run a smoke test



With the multiple misfires I would lean toward maybe the dreaded intake manifold vacuum leak. Lots of threads on here about that and plenty on you tube.
 

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describe the white smoke...is it billowing white smoke or just a hazy grey from moisture in the exhaust?....

your misfire counts are high on that entire bank 1,3,5,7 with a concentration at #1....the others, including on the opposite bank, aren't anywhere near as serious and may be affected by the #1 cylinder problem....need to know a bit more about whats going on....and whats been checked....

smell of non-burned fuel with a lean code?....has the mil been flashing?....
 

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So this was happening before or after you working on it ? If you have a bank 1 lean code with a high count misfire on #1 cylinder. My guess is going to be a bad fuel injector on #1 cylinder
 

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Problem solved !! Bad air mas sensor !

No problem on injectores .. The air mass was bas and no codes !

Thank u everybody
 

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Yep .. I put 2 used maf ,, bad luck they are both never fix the problem .. So i took the third one and it was fine
 

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I supprised that my old mad was bad but no trouble code detected !
 

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If you read my original post the info states that the code P0171 could either be caused by a dirty or faulty MAF sensor. Just because the code you get does not come right out and say, "IT IS A BAD MAF SENSOR, REPLACE ME." doesn't mean that "no trouble code was detected."

Not trying to rain on the fix parade but codes get us in the ball park and with correct diagnostics of the steps for that code we typically come to the right conclusion of what is wrong and what needs replaced. Codes are not a guarantee that a certain part needs replaced every time that one code comes up. There is so much that is involved with each codes or parts circuitry.
 

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Raiderron are you stepping on my toes here, do you not forget I am El Guapo, are you trying to steal my glory here, I'm the trouble maker here lol
 

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I supprised that my old mad was bad but no trouble code detected !

one of the many things people dont realize is that a component may be sending an incorrect reading because it is faulty but the computer only sees a measure that means do something.....it cant tell the reading is incorrect...it can only react to the reading and adjust accordingly...

the pcm is interpreting a reading from the maf sensor and assuming its correct....it just makes adjustments accordingly....it cant reason and is unaware of what the driver is experiencing...

similarly....an abs sensor that drops to zero at 2 mph isnt viewed as faulty by the abs controller....it sees a wheel in lockup and pulses the brake to solve the perceived problem....everything looks normal to the controller and it is just doing its job....the driver on the other hand is noticing a ratcheting pedal (abs application) while coming to a stop on dry pavement...

these are some of the reasons driver information is so critical in the proper diagnosis of a concern...along with investigating all the possibilities that could cause a dtc as opposed to the component circuit a dtc identifies as suspect...
 
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