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I got this mailer from the dealer i bought my truck from with some services they offer and in it was a service that i have never heard about, till now... wanted to pick everyones brains on this one


The service is replacing the "air" in your tires with nitrogen. Apparently the nitrogen molecules are larger than regular air molecules so they do not excape like air, furthermore the nitrogen does not expand or contract nearly as much as air... i think they had a few more selling points but i dont want to go downstairs to get the paper... they are charging $40 for this service...

Anyone know anything about this? it sure would be nice to not have to be checking my air every 3 days and airing up two or three times a month
 

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I got this mailer from the dealer i bought my truck from with some services they offer and in it was a service that i have never heard about, till now... wanted to pick everyones brains on this one


The service is replacing the "air" in your tires with nitrogen. Apparently the nitrogen molecules are larger than regular air molecules so they do not excape like air, furthermore the nitrogen does not expand or contract nearly as much as air... i think they had a few more selling points but i dont want to go downstairs to get the paper... they are charging $40 for this service...

Anyone know anything about this? it sure would be nice to not have to be checking my air every 3 days and airing up two or three times a month

For $40, I could air up my tires for a lifetime!
 

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For $40, I could air up my tires for a lifetime!

I air up at QT, its free...

its really more because i like the idea of not having to worry about it... but being the way i am, i will probably check it twice as often just to make sure the stuff is actually doing what they say it is doing
 

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I air up at QT, its free...

its really more because i like the idea of not having to worry about it... but being the way i am, i will probably check it twice as often just to make sure the stuff is actually doing what they say it is doing

Keep in mind... nitrogen doesn't patch holes... doesn't stop blow outs and won't resist nails. Personally, I don't check my tires unless I feel it's needed. That may be a bad habit, but... *shrug*
 

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Costco and a few other tire places are using it.
N2 (Nitrogen) is a little more stable than "air" it doesn't expand or contract as much with heat, it is drier (lower moisture content) so there are some advantages. Its not worth $5 let alone $40.
 

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Kinda like how you should change your summer air for winter air, winterize your air! :smilielol:
 

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My dealer did that on every car they sold. I dont think its worth it. I didnt notice a difference. I wouldnt pay 40 bucks for it.
 

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I had the tires on my CTS filled with nitrogen when I put new wheels/tires on it. Cost me $20. The pressure doesn't change as the temperature changes like tires filled with regular air does.
With oxygen, tires will naturally lose air slowly. I've yet had to refill the nitrogen filled tires. This is because nitrogen molecules are larger than that of oxygen, like someone else stated earlier, and can't escape the porous rubber material of tires. Oxygen also has moisture in it, which can cause the insides of the wheels to rust over time. Nitrogen doesn't hold moisture.
 

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I had the tires on my CTS filled with nitrogen when I put new wheels/tires on it. Cost me $20. The pressure doesn't change as the temperature changes like tires filled with regular air does.
With oxygen, tires will naturally lose air slowly. I've yet had to refill the nitrogen filled tires. This is because nitrogen molecules are larger than that of oxygen, like someone else stated earlier, and can't escape the porous rubber material of tires. Oxygen also has moisture in it, which can cause the insides of the wheels to rust over time. Nitrogen doesn't hold moisture.

To each his own... I wouldn't pay $20 for it... it's just not worth it to me when I can get air for $$FREE$$. I won't keep a car long enough for it to rust the inside of the wheel.... not to mention, if you use the right wheels, it will not rust too bad.
 

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If it had been more than $20 then I would've just went with regular air. But for $20, it's worth it to me to have consistent pressure, especially with drastic temp changes around here, 70* nights and 100* days. More even tire wear and longer tire life.
 
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Here's an article I came across for those interested:

When Ron Kantor, president of Leather-Rich Inc. in Oconomowoc, Wis., decided to convert his fleet of 20 vans to nitrogen-filled tires in early 2006, he was looking for fuel savings. “We thought nitrogen might save us about 4 percent on our gasoline bills, partly because the tires would run cooler,†says Kantor.

After 18 months, what difference has nitrogen-filled tires made on Kantor’s fleet?
“Fuel economy has increased slightly from 12 mpg before nitrogen to an average of 13.5 mpg,†observes Kantor. “But where we’ve seen an even greater difference and cost savings has been our tire replacement cycles. It used to be 65,000-75,000 miles, and now we’re getting anywhere from 107,000 to 120,000 miles on a set of tires.â€
While Kantor pays approximately $5 more per tire to fill with nitrogen versus compressed air, he believes the savings in fuel economy and tire replacement from nitrogen far outweighs the initial cost.
What about your truck? Would nitrogen-filled tires create similar savings for you? What makes nitrogen different than compressed air? What are the advantages and limitations? How difficult is it to find nitrogen suppliers? As you explore whether nitrogen-filled tires are right for you, here are questions and answers to serve as a guide.
Q: Is filling tires with nitrogen a new concept?
A: Actually, NASCAR teams, commercial airlines, and NASA have been using nitrogen for years because its chemical properties are touted to maintain tire pressure longer, resist heat buildup better, and reduce the potential of freezing at high altitudes, compared to plain compressed air.

Q: What moved the concept of nitrogen-filled tires to more mainstream use?
A: The recent rise in fuel costs has brought greater attention to maintaining proper tire pressure levels as a key to maximizing fuel economy.

According to the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), fuel economy can be improved up to 3.3 percent simply by keeping tires inflated to the proper pressure. Conversely, the DOE says that underinflated tires can lower gas mileage by 0.4 percent for every pound per square inch (PSI) drop in pressure. For example, if each tire on a 3/4-ton pickup was underinflated by just 10 PSI, you’d be looking at a 16-percent drop in fuel economy.
Underinflation also affects safety and tire life. “Heat is the enemy of a tire,†advises Donald B. Shea, president and CEO, the Rubber Manufacturers Association, which represents tire manufacturers. Underinflation generates heat within a tire and combined with hot summer air temperatures can cause dangerous issues for your vehicle. Properly inflated tires help maximize safety, fuel economy, and tire longevity.â€
Nitrogen proponents, such as the Get Nitrogen Institute, www.getnitrogen.org, promote nitrogen as the most effective gas in maintaining proper tire pressure levels longer and keeping tires cooler.

Q: What makes nitrogen more effective than compressed air? After all, air is comprised of 78 percent nitrogen. What difference does a higher concentration (typically at 93-95 percent) of nitrogen make on tire performance versus compressed air?
A: The difference is the oxygen (21 percent) and water vapor (1 percent) content in compressed air. Because oxygen molecules are smaller than nitrogen, they pass through tire walls more quickly.

According to a recent article produced by tire manufacturer Bridgestone, truck tires with compressed air can lose up to two PSI per month, even when valves and beads seal properly and there are no punctures. In contrast, nitrogen molecules permeate rubber much more slowly, taking six months to lose the same two PSI.
Moreover, Bridgestone says nitrogen is far less reactive than oxygen. When oxygen passes through rubber, it comes in contact with the steel cords in the tire, causing them to rust. Oxygen also causes the tire to oxidize, accelerating the rate at which rubber becomes brittle.
Nitrogen, on the other hand, does not cause rust and corrosion on steel, nor does it degrade rubber, according to Bridgestone. The water vapor content in compressed air also impacts tire pressure. Water vapor absorbs and holds heat, causing tires to run hotter and create wider pressure fluctuations than with nitrogen.
Q: Can tire pressure be checked less often using nitrogen than compressed air?
A: In theory, yes. However, tire manufacturers and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) still recommend monthly tire pressure checks, regardless of what is used to inflate the tires. One thing Kantor does to ensure his tires are checked regularly is to include pressure checks at oil change drain intervals.

Q: Air is free. How much does nitrogen cost to inflate a tire?
A: Prices range from $2-$10 per tire, with most providers offering lifetime fill-ups.

Q: Speaking of fill-ups, is it safe to top off a nitrogen-filled tire with air when the tire is low and no nitrogen supplier is nearby?
A: Yes. According to Bridgestone, the small amount of air used to top off a tire has very little effect in the near term. When the truck is serviced, the air can be purged and refilled with optimum levels of nitrogen.

Q: Are directories available to locate the nearest tire dealers that offer nitrogen-filled tires?
A: A growing number of auto dealerships and tire retailers, including Costco and PEP Boys, offer nitrogen-filled tires. Log onto www.getnitrogen.org and use their dealer locator to find a nitrogen supplier.
 

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Found this also, courtesy of Innovative Balancing:

What is Nitrogen?

Nitrogen is a dry, inert gas used to inflate airplane tires, off-road truck tires, military vehicle tires, and race car tires for improved performance, more tire mileage and better fuel economy.

Why use Nitrogen?
Less inflation pressure loss
Reduced wheel corrosion
Prevents inner-liner rubber deterioration by oxidation
Tires run cooler
Increases tread life
Increases fuel mileage
Helps prevent uneven wear
Oxygen in compressed air permeates through the wall of the tire, thus reducing the tire's inflation pressure. During it's journey through the tire wall, oxygen oxidizes the rubber compounds in the tire, causing under-inflation and deterioration of the rubber . Dry nitrogen will maintain proper inflation pressure and will prevent auto-ignition, will not corrode rims, extends valve core life, and will help the tire to run cooler.​

The biggest advantages - improved tire life

Experts in the tire industry indicate that oxidative aging is one of the primary causes of decreased tire life. Oxidative aging is caused by the diffusion of oxygen from the pressurized air cavity of the tire to the outside atmosphere. Tests have shown that if tires are inflated with nitrogen, there is a significant reduction in tire failure.​

Why did race cars, military and off-road vehicles switch to Nitrogen?
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Air is about 1/5 Oxygen, and oxygen, especially at high pressures and temperatures, is a very reactive element.
When oxygen reacts with things, the process is called oxidation. When oxidation is extremely rapid, it's called "burning.
That's one reason nitrogen is used in off-highway and aircraft tires. These tires run so hot they can actually catch on fire. Nitrogen doesn't support combustion, so nitrogen-filled tires don't add fuel to the flames. And nitrogen helps prevent slower forms of oxidation also.
Nitrogen prevents other types of corrosion as well
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Oxygen and moisture corrodes aluminum and steel wheels. Oxygen also reacts with rubber, another type of "corrosion". When this corrosion starts, the small particles break off and form rust and dust, which can clog vavle cores, causing them to leak. The rough surfaces created from the corrosive action on the wheels leads to tire beads that don't seal properly, causing additional leaks .
Oxygen also ages the inner liner, the thin layer of rubber inside the tire whose function is to keep air away from the carcass. As the inner liner ages, more and more air molecules can pass through it, causing more pressure losses. These pressure losses in a truck tire can average 2 psi a month as a result of the air passing through the sidewalls. As it passes through the rubber, the oxygen can also corrode the steel cords, causing them to rust too.​

How does Nitrogen help?
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While both nitrogen and oxygen can permeate rubber, nitrogen does it much more slowly. It might take 6 months to lose 2 psi with nitrogen, compared to just a month with air. And nitrogen is far less reactive. It doesn't cause rust or corrosion on steel or aluminum, and it doesn't degrade rubber. Wheel surfaces stay smooth and clean, rubber remains supple and resilient.​

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Nitrogen also will not degrade the rubber seal in the valve core which extends valve core life and helps prevents core leaks.
Small bits of dust and debris as a byproduct of oxidative corrosion to the wheels and alloy rims can lodge in the valve core seat, causing air leaks.​


Any other reasons for using Nitrogen?
Water!! The air around us is full of water vapor. Compressing air concentrates the water in it.
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Draining the water from your compressor tank daily helps, but unless you have a really efficient air dryer system, chances are that there's a lot of water in your compressed air.​
When you compress air, it takes up much less volume, but the percentage of water by
volume is greatly increased.
...and what harm does this moisture cause?
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Water vapor in compressed air acts as a catalyst, accelerating rust and corrosion. Water vapor also absorbs and holds heat. And when it changes from liquid to vapor, water expands tremendously in volume.
As a result, tires inflated with wet air tend to run hotter and fluctuate in pressure more. That's one of the reasons why racing tires, where fractions of a psi can radically change the handling characteristics, are inflated with dry nitrogen.


For fleets - reduced operating costs
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Tires are one of the primary costs of operating a fleet of vehicles. Tire costs include procurement, maintenance and the cost of blowouts.
A typical truck tire with two retreads costs $480.00 and lasts
approximately 270,000 miles. Inflating tires with nitrogen will help to prevent premature casing failure and allow tires to be retread
multiple times, with confidence and reliability.
Inflating tires with nitrogen to eliminate oxidative aging can extend tire life by up to 25%.
Increasing tire life to 337,500 miles would save $120 per tire.

A fleet with 50 trucks and 900 wheel positions would save over $100,000 in tire cost by inflating with nitrogen.
The primary cost of maintaining tires is the cost of labor to check tire
pressures and top off tires with compressed air on a periodic basis.
Tire pressure must be checked and the tires topped off due to the
diffusion of air through the tire. Tires filled with nitrogen will not
experience this diffusion and resulting loss of pressure. Tires
filled with nitrogen maintain pressure for a much longer period
of time than tires filled with air. If a truck fleet conducts preventative
maintenance on 5 trucks per day and presently spends 30 minutes
per truck topping off tires, they could realize savings of $31,250
per year based on a labor rate of $50 per hour and 250 work days
per year, by inflating tires with nitrogen.

A recent article from the Wall Street Journal states:​
“One thing government and tire-industry officials agree on is the
importance of keeping tires properly inflated. The risks of
underinflation, which stresses tires by causing their sidewalls to flex more and the air temperature inside to rise, were highlighted during congressional hearings two years ago into the Firestone tire problems. Underinflation was identified as a factor in the failure of Firestone tires.â€
Wall Street Journal, September 25, 2002.

Frequently asked questions.
Is Nitrogen explosive? No, in fact, nitrogen is very inert and safe. Nitrogen is the most commonly used chemical in the USA. It is used for storing and packaging of snack foods, coffee, and other food items.
Will Nitrogen affect the tire pressure monitoring system on my vehicle? Yes. Nitrogen will help maintain proper inflation in your tires and reduce the number of faults detected by the TPMS.
Do I still need to check tire pressure? Yes. But, you will find the tire pressure to be much more consistent.
What about my spare tire? You should certainly inflate your spare with nitrogen to help maintain proper inflation when it comes time you need to use it. Because of the slower air pressure loss of nitrogen through the sidewalls, your spare is more likely to be at proper pressure over a long time than if it was filled with regular air.
Will Nitrogen affect my ceramic Dyna Beads? No, in fact, you couldn't find a better operating environment for this tire balancing product than a tire filled with nitrogen.
What do I do if I have to add air? No problem at all. The small amount of air you may add at some point will still be a very small percentage of the total mixture of air/nitrogen in the tire.

Drexan Corp. recently conducted a double blind study measuring the effects of nitrogen tire inflation on tire life and fuel efficiency in a long-haul trucking fleet. Performance of nitrogen-filled tires was measured against performance of air-filled tires with and without a maintenance program.

Parker Hannifin, based in Haverhill, Mass., provided the nitrogen generator used during this study. The results of this analysis, according to Parker, recently were presented at the Clemson Tire Conference:

  • When compared to historical data, nitrogen tire inflation provides a 6.1 percent improvement in fuel efficiency when compared to a fleet with no tire pressure maintenance program;
  • When compared to historical data and an in-trial control, nitrogen tire inflation provides a 3.3 percent improvement in fuel efficiency when compared to a fleet using air inflation and a tire pressure maintenance program; and
  • When compared to the in-trial air control, nitrogen-filled tires provided an average tread life improvement of 86 percent when compared to a fleet using air inflation and a tire pressure maintenance program.

    The study, Parker says, infers that casing life improves, increasing retreadability, and tire failures decrease. The economic implications of nitrogen tire inflation also were impressive, according to the company:
  • Saved 110,000 gallons of diesel and U.S. $285,000 over the nine-month period;
  • The value of the extended tire life was not monetized, but could be calculated easily for any fleet that knows their cost/mile for tires; and
  • Greenhouse gas emissions were reduced, allowing them to be exchanged for revenue on carbon trading sites.

    Parker says the study was conducted over a nine-month period in 2006 using a fleet comprising 70 long-haul tractors and 117 trailers, providing 1988 wheel positions. It consisted of 6.1 million tractor miles and 110 million tread miles, and it covered the coldest and hottest months of the year to minimize climate variances, according to the company; the analysis isolated inflation gas as the primary basis for any change in the mean.
 
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