Lifting a Rig Goes Very Wrong ##############

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I have to agree with Boostaholic here. I have been dealing with 4wp for over 15 years now. I have ordered parts from them for 4 vehicles. My latest is an 87 Toyota 4Runner. They installed the Pro Comp Lift, the 4:88 gears, and the locker in the rear. I have to admit, the first locker took a dump and they replaced at no charge including the tow from 30 miles away. The vehicle was drivable, they did not want to inconvience me. All the way back to my first wheeler they have supplied and warranted parts without a hitch. Also, I have to say that this is two seperate stores I have gone to, one in Oakland, Ca and one in Denver, Co. I can't speak to their tires though, I run BFG and have never had issue one. I have to thank them for both of these...

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I don't think these examples are a true reflection of the company, but more of the techs in the shop. If anything, they need better techs working on our rigs.
 

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I don't think these examples are a true reflection of the company, but more of the techs in the shop. If anything, they need better techs working on our rigs.

It wont happen because 4wp is required to make egregious profits by hiring minimum wage inexperienced mechanics.........so every once in a while you will hear of a new vehicle being completely Monkey Wrenched.

The owners confidence and enjoyment of that vehicle is shattered.

If you like them.........by all means use them.

This and other stories would no be scattered all over the internet if they actually fixed what they broke.....for several reasons.

These words are actually from the presidents own mouth.

We can never provide any refunds or restitution for damages we have caused as it is an admission of an improper installation.

2nd, we can never provide any refunds or restitution for damages we have caused as it will encourage others to make claims against us.

3rd, if anyone wishes to enter litigation with 4WP, they will pay $15,000 in legal fees to fight a $5,000 problem.


Thats why the internet is littered with horrific chop shop stories.

WHAT 4WP IS TERRIFIED OF
Federal Trade Commission
Internet Fraud Complaint Center
Office of Defects Investigation
VEHICLE REPAIR ACT


DENVER VEHICLE REPAIR ACT
 
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I get the impression that the company itself is seated in rotten ethics to begin with, but that there are probably some stores and some workers who ignore the mantra and try their best to give good work and service. I didn't know that Boostaholic works there but I feel certain that he knows what he is doing when it comes to trucks. I might not go to 4WP but he could work on my truck any time.
 

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I didn't know that Boostaholic works there but I feel certain that he knows what he is doing when it comes to trucks. I might not go to 4WP but he could work on my truck any time.

I have to agree here, whenever possible I do all my own work. I just didn't have the time on the 4Runner to install the IFS lift, and I have no idea how to set gears correctly. Other than that, the Jeep is all wrenches turned by my father and me. It's HARD to trust other people with our rigs. Especially when so many hard earned $$$ are at stake. If I had any of these experiences like the others on this thread, I'd go F'ing nuts on them. I guess mostly I just got parts from them with the exception of the last time.
 

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I have to agree here, whenever possible I do all my own work. I just didn't have the time on the 4Runner to install the IFS lift, and I have no idea how to set gears correctly. Other than that, the Jeep is all wrenches turned by my father and me. It's HARD to trust other people with our rigs. Especially when so many hard earned $$$ are at stake. If I had any of these experiences like the others on this thread, I'd go F'ing nuts on them. I guess mostly I just got parts from them with the exception of the last time.

This was just posted recently in a Jeep Forum


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All my experience only applies to 4WP in Miami gardens...

The sales guys... Mike, Jason, and manager Zeus.. all great guys. I wouldn't hesitate to BUY parts from them.

The shop... maybe nice guys, but idiots wrapped in a moron would be putting it lightly in my case. They would probably do better if they had a well seasoned and experienced shop forman to work under and who could check out their work before it leaves.... that act alone would be a full time job with what they let leave there.

The Reader's Digest version is I have a 2008 Unlimited Rubicon.. I bought and had installed at 4WP in Miami

The major stuff
- Pro Comp Long Arm Lift and all that goes with that which is a list in its self
- J.E. Reel 1350HD shafts front and rear
- 37" Mud Grapplers Plus Rims and spacers
- 5.13 Gears
-Fox Steering Stabilizer

The parts above alone cost over 10k

Plus so many other "little" things I can't even begin to list... the receipts I can actually find surpass 15k.

What was done wrong...

-They "Lost" 2 of my factory Rubi Shocks and tried to pass off 2 "X" shocks as the ones they took off. Rubi shocks are red, X shocks are white.

-My rear track bar was put on backwards

-When lift was installed I asked to have my breathers extended.. the rear was put actually lower than the stock height and the front wasn't touched.

-One of my Fox Shocks FELL off

-Tires rubbed on control arms... that's when it was discovered I need spacers.

-Rear Spring was hitting the track bar.. I brought it to them to FIX... see below

-Developed a horrible noise the day I got it back from having 5.13's installed. After 3 days of "diagnosing" was told it was my transfer case. I had 3k on the odometer. This sparked the end of the relationship with me and 4WP. I even prepared my lawyer for a suite because after all my mods Jeep would laugh at me for trying to warranty a T-Case. It was also when I brought it to them for the gears that we noticed my rig was drooping rather severely on the right rear corner.

- Because of the "transfer case noise" it ruined plans, and had me all stressed out. I called Tranny Doc about it and was going to have it TOWED to his shop from Miami. Before going through all that I hooked up with ROCO4X4 as they are a few miles from my home. Turns out the right rear control arm was loose... REAL LOOSE and was basically causing a suspension noise that was telescoping through the rig and out of the T-case. ROCO took less than a day to figure it out.

- I had 4WP warranty me out a set of rear springs as it was thought I had a sagging spring on the right rear. When new springs were installed it still sagged. After further investigation it turns out that SOMEONE had shortened the right rear control arm pulling the right side of the axle forward to get the spring to not hit the track bar . The track bar was also cranked way down and the front left spring was not seated in the perch but riding on it. Basically my rig's suspension was being pulled and stressed so badly that it was collapsing the right rear spring. To fix all this they pretty much just reinstalled my lift correctly relieving the suspension of the stress and now my rig sits perfectly level and rides awesome... the rear wheels are actually behind the fronts!

At the end of the day and to their credit 4Wheel Parts refunded a little over $600.00 to me. Small change for well into 5 digits I've spent there and the aggravation of it all. Not only that, I've spent what they returned to me in towing and what I had to pay ROCO4X4 to straighten the mess out.

I am now so worried about how they may have installed my 5.13's I am actually awaiting the "BANG!" going down the highway.

Until they get a journeymen mechanic in there who knows WTF he is doing, I wouldn't let them put air in my tires.
 
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