'09 Tahoe - Please help

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MO Viet Vet

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Exactly bladen. This job is right up my alley at this point in my life and should be till the end. I can retire and collect some SS and still work here. Beautiful place to live, easier on my body and I can pick and choose what I work on when I want to. No one to answer to except the owners son that I see about 1-3 times a month. The rest of the time it is all on me and I like it that way. After my wife passed 4 years ago it was rough for a while but now I am all ok and would like to have a partner in crime so to speak that keeps me happy and can pop a can of beer without breaking a nail. Has to like BBQ, also. Being from K.C. that is a big part of my weekend here when the weather gets above 45-50 degrees. I think my facility customers have figured my BBQ schedule out since I may never see them except for when I just happen to have ribs or steaks on the grill. Sneaky bastards.
 

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sorry for the loss of your wife...ive been married for 34 years and its hard to imagine....

similarly, regarding work....after being a technician I was managing gm dealer service departments for 17 years...I moved to florida from ny just as the economy was tanking and landed a good job at what seemed to be a solid family owned dealer...the economy tore them apart and 3+ years later they sold to a large group who absorbed the buick/gmc franchises into their well staffed Chevrolet dealer and I went on to a Lincoln facility while I kept my eyes open....I was on the advisory committee at the local tech center for 6 years when one of the instructors retired....they came to me and asked if I was interested in teaching...I consider it my semi-retirement with more time off than I can use and a nominal paycheck that is better than I could have ever mustered up from my retirement funds....I am building a better retirement while I share my knowledge and experience with kids just entering the business and it works well for me...

win-win...
 

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I am curious. Are you seeing new kids/techs that are good or better than we used to be when we started or are the pickings pretty slim for qualified new people or even people that are willing to dedicate themselves to this career?
 

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its a mixed bag...

in general most are lazy beyond belief and cant put their phones down for 6 seconds without panicking that they might miss a text asking them when the last time they took a pee was...

many are taken by surprise when they find out what a technical field it is and that taking automotive to get out of other classes isn't as easy as they thought it might be...especially when you start throwing the science, math and writing/communication skills at them....

they can find a dirty picture online in 6 seconds, repost it with comments to 50 friends and edit a movie....but ask them to research a repair and they lock up like they've never seen the internet or operated a keyboard...

they skip class on a whim and respond with "i was busy" so casually its like school isn't a requirement at all...

I had 3 seniors stop participating in class in the last 3 weeks last year because they had enough credits to graduate and figured why should they try if it isn't going to make a difference...2 of them lost automotive jobs when I informed their bosses that they failed my class....one of them is one of the smartest I had in my class but just lost interest at the end of the year...he lost a job over the summer and after his mother kicked him out of the house had to move in with his dad and take a minimum wage job....

initiative is poor....many kids are from broken homes and we are in a pretty economically depressed area...some of them are helping to support their families and work so many hours its hard to keep them awake in class...

on the other hand....I have some brilliant students who I have placed in dealers and independents and if they keep up their interest will probably become top techs some day...

the hardest thing to get past is the education they are receiving today...teachers are training them to pass standardized tests instead of training them for life....they are not taught the mechanics of why they do things a certain way....instead they are just shown how to do something so they can get through the state requirements...when they come to us and we teach them how and why something works...then how to diagnose, repair and confirm they are baffled and have a hard time retaining the information for any amount of time...

when I sit down with my daughter and help her with homework I explain how she would use what she is learning in the real world and she gets it....she asks why they don't teach it that way in her classes....I cant answer that but I know they are failing these kids miserably...they are throwing work at them with no purpose and the kids dont see value in it...they end up lost with no direction...

most of my students come right out and say my class is their favorite because they are actually learning something with value...I have several students who enrolled in multiple classes with me and one who spends the entire day in all of my classes even though he wont be able to get credit for one because its sequential and out of order...he wants the knowledge though....

there isn't a hard and fast answer to your question....in general the kids today have been cheated out of a quality education and its hard to say if we can turn that around with our limited contact...some are gems and doing well...others just don't have the interest or the aptitude....add to that the fact that the schools need the numbers to survive and you are a part time babysitter for some while you try your best to make sure the ones who want it are getting what they need and enough of it...

its a juggling act and I am starting to understand why so many teachers are against the type of evaluations that are getting pushed on them...we are forced to take students who don't belong in our curriculums and someone wants us to turn them into something they will never be...if we cant it is our failure...quite the conundrum....

for now it is working as much magic with the ones who want it and trying not to let the ones who don't stand in the way...weve turned out some gems who are doing well and we just keep plugging along sorting through them looking for the bright nuggets...

its easy to tell which have had a good family influence and which haven't...there are still a few dads who work their kids and show them what they know and how to be successful....but there are a lot of less than appropriate attitudes that are hard to deal with as one wrong word sends an instructor home and advances a future criminal because they know how to paly the system....

as an instructor you lay your hope in the good ones and give them everything you can...just hoping they follow the right path...if they can stay committed....
 

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in a nutshell...the automotive business is going to be a hurting field technically as the older techs retire and there are few qualified enough to replace them....
 

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Bladen, did you get my private message about the 99 Tahoe fuel pump problems? I started a thread in the 99 and older rigs in the tech discussion and copied and pasted what is mostly going on. Trying to help this guy and a lot of what I covered he tried but he is at a loss. Is on the Tahoe/Yukon forum.
 

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By the way, I kind of expected the answer you gave about the kids. Put that together with the need to go buy tools and they just don't want to deal with it and a lot think the tech side is all about being a NASCAR tech and all glory. I am so glad I am out of the business because I see that there are not going to be enough replacements out there for what is coming down the pike.
 

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pm replied....

one of the reasons I got out of the business also...I was spending too much time in the shop even with my experienced techs...can only be spread so thin...
 

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Chad, my 2009 Tahoe is doing the exact same thing as yours is in the video. Did cleaning the throttle body take care of your issue?

Thanks,
Mark
 

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I would say yes for now. I have not had any other issues with it since. I would recommend taking it to the dealership if your engine light is still on or if it is still acting up. They will not replace the throttle body sensor if they are unable to hook it up to their machine and find the exact code. I found this out myself after taking mine to the dealership.
 
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